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dorby
08-20-2007, 05:17 PM
PLEASE MAKE STICKY....:hsughno:

i posted this info in mafia_insurances's thread...but its alot of stuff..and broken down to be understood easily...so im reposting it as a thread...thru my experiences to help people understand exercise and training to accomplish their goals....good luck everyone.....

do cardio first thing in the morning on a empty stomach taking

200mg caffeine
325mg aspirin
25mg ephedrine

take on your own risk...please consult a doctor before usage....this information is only based on my experiences....

take for 2-3 months..3months max...ur body will get use to it and it isnt all that great to make your heart speed all day.......there are many side effects..research before taking..or consult a doctor....start off slow..taking it once a day..but if u can handle more...i have taken up to 3 doses a day...half life of the ECA is 4-6 hours....

side effects most noticeable is being extremely snappy and rarely chest pain...

also take a teaspoon of glutamine to prevent muscle catabolism
right after cardio have a 40-60 gram protein shake of your choice..try to keep it only water and no juice....

WEIGHT TRAINING

do not do solely cardio to get lean.....you will get lean quick....but you will burn up alot of muscle mass if you do not train....

muscle burns fat...so the more lean muscle your body has the more fat you burn.....
train all body parts moderately......or intensely as long as your train it will be sufficient
split muscle groups...or single them out depending on your own schedule...try to train large muscles such as chest and back...before smaller muscles like biceps, triceps, or shoulders...because chest and back require compound movements....where chest utilizes shoulders and triceps...and back uses biceps ....to maximize training separate these muscles on different days...

when trying to drop bodyfat and get lean....do not watch your weight monitor yourself with a bodyfat measuring stat sheet.....gyms or nutrition stores have them.....at times ur muscle mass will increase and bodyfat decrease and only fluctuate a few lbs...that is what u wanna go for...not loosing 20lbs of weight....that means nothing....


NUTRITION

eat every 3-4 hours to keep your body in a anabolic state...muscle building...if not the bodies natural reaction is to hold on to fat because it burns slower and break down muscle protein for energy...catabolic state...

WATER INTAKE

2 gallons would be the best to keep your body hydrated and free of toxins....also taking eca will increase your water release...so drinking more water is important...to benefit your metabolism

to keep water retention down...cut sodium intake down ...dont eat frozen foods...or processed foods..which are preserved by high amounts of sodium

PROTEINwhy to eat this? protein is absorbed to rebuild muscle...muscle burns fat...

the amount of protein you should ingest could be anywhere from 2x your bodyweight or 2.5......
your total protein intake should be split between all your meals....even before bedtime..but keep it lean or have protein so while you sleep your body does not become catabolic...

ex.....white meat is the best for keeping lean...occasional dark meat early in the day is fine as well as lean red meat as it is higher in fat content

ex..
turkey breast
chicken breast
lean steak ...sirlion...try to stay away from skirt steak..even though its good...
lean pork chop



CARBOHYDRATESwhy to eat this...carbs give u energy to train and go thru daily activites...so eat them...just not at nite and not simple carbs...such as processed food or junk food..they convert to glucose quick and cause insulin spike...rise of blood sugar which slows your metabolism..

the amount of complex carbohydrates your should ingest could fluctuate...do 3 days of moderate carbs......2 days low carbs and repeat..it will keep your body in shock and not retain any unused sugars which will convert to fat... the amount depends on your weight....try to get all your carb intake atleast 4 hrs before bedtime to keep from storing any unused calories...

ex...
sweet potatoes
potatoes..
brown rice...
wheat pasta...
white rice...


for more reference...goto www.bodybuilding.com


good luck post your results... also if u wanna bbe on the dime log your intake and training...

pic of my cutting phase.....but a while back...dont have any recent cutting pics...but heres a reference....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/dorby/People/getlean.jpg

OfourTHREEfive
08-20-2007, 05:25 PM
Some of this info is really good, we need some sticky threads in the fitness section.

Mafia_Insurance
08-23-2007, 12:10 PM
-When you say "ephedrine" does this mean, hydroxicut (sp) ?
-when you say, eat every 3-4 hours, do you mean, fiber-packed meals or carbs (rice, potators lawl ?)
-The protein shake, what is the best all-around protein?
thanks.

Sh0wty
08-23-2007, 05:01 PM
Very Informative.. Nice.

dorby
08-23-2007, 10:07 PM
-When you say "ephedrine" does this mean, hydroxicut (sp) ?
-when you say, eat every 3-4 hours, do you mean, fiber-packed meals or carbs (rice, potators lawl ?)
-The protein shake, what is the best all-around protein?
thanks.

ephedrine is pure ephedrine..its sold as a bronchodilator & expectorant .. for asthma... hydroxicut no longer sells its product with ephedrine... u can find pure ephedrine online...

eat every 3-4 hours depending on your schedule you will eat each meal containing protein,carbs, and fiber... based on your bodyweight and the amount of meals consumed a day.. however towards the end of your day ...the last meal or last two meals..close to bedtime should not consist of carbohydrates because they are burned for energy...and if u are sleeping then they are not burned and end up stored as fat

best protein..is whey protein... i personally use ELITE...i get berry flavored..cant go wrong...blend with bananas and assorted fruits..

rick the ripper
08-23-2007, 11:09 PM
superhydration ftw

FromHialeah
08-23-2007, 11:24 PM
PLEASE MAKE STICKY....:hsughno:



do cardio first thing in the morning on a empty stomach taking

200mg caffeine
325mg aspirin
25mg ephedrine

take on your own risk...please consult a doctor before usage....this information is only based on my experiences....

take for 2-3 months..3months max...ur body will get use to it and it isnt all that great to make your heart speed all day.......there are many side effects..research before taking..or consult a doctor....start off slow..taking it once a day..but if u can handle more...i have taken up to 3 doses a day...half life of the ECA is 4-6 hours....




by this mean you you take that <as your cardio becuase it will speed up ur heart> or you take that plus do cardio <as in run jog stairs etc.>

Jeremy
08-24-2007, 12:01 AM
weight loss can be accomplished all natural with no pills

the bottom line is getting u eating right and regularly exercising

theres no quick easy fix, all of it takes time and determination and a strong will

dorby
08-24-2007, 02:58 AM
by this mean you you take that <as your cardio becuase it will speed up ur heart> or you take that plus do cardio <as in run jog stairs etc.>


the eca speeds up metabolism...its a thermogenic...u should take it before doing cardio...and absolutely do cardio if your going to take any supplements..

FromHialeah
08-24-2007, 03:32 PM
holy shit then if i take that and do cardio i'll have a heart attack when i do alot of cardio my heart feels like its gonan explode

well like stairs at the gym on lvl 15 or w.e but i wear a jacket a shirt and one of those belts to make you sweat so my body doesnt vent off to well lol

Manny
08-24-2007, 03:57 PM
PROTEINwhy to eat this? protein is absorbed to rebuild muscle...muscle burns fat...

the amount of protein you should ingest could be anywhere from 2x your bodyweight or 2.5......
your total protein intake should be split between all your meals....even before bedtime..but keep it lean or have protein so while you sleep your body does not become catabolic...

ex.....white meat is the best for keeping lean...occasional dark meat early in the day is fine as well as lean red meat as it is higher in fat content

ex..
turkey breast
chicken breast
lean steak ...sirlion...try to stay away from skirt steak..even though its good...
lean pork chop

Dorby, 2-2.5 grams of protein seems too excessive. There was a study done where too much protein might not be too good for the body. Anyways, the suggested protein intake for muscle building is 1g-1.5g per bodyweight.

Also, to expand... protein is best taken with water after a workout (atleast with the 30 mins post.) Why water? Your body needs to quickly absorb protein so your body doesn't break down your muscles (catabolic state). Let me be a little more specific, I am talking about whey protein.

Casein protein is best taken before bed. Casein is a slow releasing protein which your body needs since your body because catabolic while you sleep. However, if you are strapped for cash, instead of get casein, you can stick with your whey protein and at this point mix it with milk. This will act as a generic casein, sort to speak.



CARBOHYDRATESwhy to eat this...carbs give u energy to train and go thru daily activites...so eat them...just not at nite and not simple carbs...such as processed food or junk food..they convert to glucose quick and cause insulin spike...rise of blood sugar which slows your metabolism..

the amount of complex carbohydrates your should ingest could fluctuate...do 3 days of moderate carbs......2 days low carbs and repeat..it will keep your body in shock and not retain any unused sugars which will convert to fat... the amount depends on your weight....try to get all your carb intake atleast 4 hrs before bedtime to keep from storing any unused calories...

ex...
sweet potatoes
potatoes..
brown rice...
wheat pasta...
white rice...


for more reference...goto www.bodybuilding.com (http://www.bodybuilding.com)

To add, for those that don't know.... complex carbs comes from fruits. That is the best carbs for your body.

There is a lot of good info on www.bodybuilding.com/forum (http://www.bodybuilding.com/forum)


Their Misc. Section is teh best!!!!

OfourTHREEfive
08-25-2007, 01:05 PM
Good job editing on the protein manny.

Mafia_Insurance
08-25-2007, 01:35 PM
Ephedrine=bad idea

[edit] Adverse effects
Adverse drug reactions (ADRs) are more common with systemic administration (e.g. injection or oral administration) compared to topical administration (e.g. nasal instillations). ADRs associated with ephedrine therapy include:[4]

Cardiovascular: tachycardia, cardiac arrhythmias, Angina pectoris, vasoconstriction with hypertension
Dermatological: flushing, sweating, acne vulgaris
Gastrointestinal: nausea, appetite loss
Genitourinary: increased urine output due to increased blood flow (difficulty urinating is not uncommon, as alpha-agonists such as ephedrine constrict the internal urethral sphincter, mimicking the effects of sympathetic nervous system stimulation)
Nervous system:restlessness, confusion, insomnia, mild euphoria, mania/hallucinations (rare except in previously existing psychiatric conditions), delusions, formication (may be possible, but lacks documented evidence) paranoia, hostility, panic, agitation
Respiratory: dyspnea, pulmonary edema
Miscellaneous: dizziness, headache, tremor, hyperglycemic reactions
The approved maximum daily dosage of ephedrine for use as a bronchodilator is 150mg, as specified on the packaging of the bronchodilator and expectorant combination, Bronkaid, made by Bayer pharmaceuticals.

Overdose can lead to death, although the approved dose is not likely to cause severe reactions when used as directed.

Ephedrine can also lead to damage of the brain receptors over a period of high usage; this is because of its constant action on the neurochemicals. It also leads to high increase in blood pressure which over time can lead to damage in the blood vessels.

Mafia_Insurance
08-25-2007, 01:41 PM
ephedrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrin

caffeine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffein

NiZMo1o1
09-14-2007, 04:00 PM
Ephedrine=bad idea


Damn I use to take this alot with other things

S.M.
10-02-2007, 07:07 PM
weight loss can be accomplished all natural with no pills

the bottom line is getting u eating right and regularly exercising

theres no quick easy fix, all of it takes time and determination and a strong will

x2 theres no easy way to get fit, main thing is discipline just sticking to your workout and nutrition plan.

EvIl-gOaT
04-01-2008, 12:01 PM
need help choosing a creatine its between cell-tech, size-on, or expand....

Mafia_Insurance
04-01-2008, 01:03 PM
need help choosing a creatine its between cell-tech, size-on, or expand....

bananas
eating about 4 bananas a day equals the same amount of creatine as a couple of scoops, and its natural. try it.