Seeking Opinions

[SpdRcrChk]

Ok, so I know this kid . . . he's 17. About to turn 18.

Ever since he was younger, he's had a very unhealthy obsession with guns/firearms.

It's all he thinks about. Spends hours on the internet reading up on them. As a child, they noted the obsession so sometimes, they'd take away his gun/firearm toys. He'd make guns out of sticks, out of foil paper, whatever was available. He's tried making his own ACTUAL guns (unsuccessfully but he's tried).

He's tried to get others around him to buy him a handgun (unsuccessfully). Parents' first mistake . . . they bought him an AK47 Rifle (with money the kid had saved up over the years). But . . . they took it away and put it into storage. Why, you ask? Because the kid's brother . . . (who is 14 and has a knife obsession) actually tried to stun gun his own father during an argument. Both kids say they hate their parents. So the father got scared and put the gun away in storage.

The kid has spent countless hours searching for a handgun which technically turned into more of a family heirloom. He swears his grandfather would have wanted him to have it. He never even met his grandfather, there were other grandchildren before him. That gun has also been taken and put into safekeeping.

The kid's about to turn 18. Doesn't have a CLUE about the type of responsibility that comes with owning a gun. I know the handgun laws. But I also know that you can easily obtain a firearm through other means . . . and I know he can easily purchase a shotgun/rifle at 18. Is there any way to prevent him from actually obtaining one on his own? What would you do in this situation?

[Ochizon]

holy fucking locura.

My only advice is maybe some bullet proof vests and intense therapy.

[Ralph]

sounds like he's not missing any screws, he's going to make a great gun owner :dunno:

[iSS Mike]

Kid def. Has issues. Hopefully he doesn't kill anyone cause they pissed him off.

[SpdRcrChk]

holy fucking locura.

My only advice is maybe some bullet proof vests and intense therapy.

he's been to therapy. it accomplished nothing. mostly because the parents' ignorance interfered. it turned into focus on issues that weren't so . . . noteworthy. it was, however deemed that the kid was functioning at maturity levels far beneath his actual age. which i think is why it's such a dangerous situation. the kids are living in a fantasy world.

but the therapy wasn't followed through because parents thought it might "go on his record."

[Robi]

Nothing you can do to prevent him from purchasing a gun. Its a constitutional right.

He seems like a menace to society. Sadly how our system is built he will have to break the law first in order for anything to happen.

Hopefully he wont kill anyone in order for our system see that he can be a problematic individual.

The parents are doing more bad than good by preventing him to obtain psychological help. The problem start at the parenting level and obviously his parents arent doing enough.

Maybe he can channel his energy's into sports. IE hunting, target shooting, trap(sp?) shooting etc etc.

Seems like a very unique situation.

[SpdRcrChk]

had a healthy relationship with guns been instilled to begin with, then i think it wouldn't be so bad. i mean there are people who always think about cars. that's no big deal right? it's like a hobby. when does it turn into an obsession?

[Yun]

let him have it, then tell his parents to buy some too. shootout is inevitable.

[Mafia_Insurance]

let him have it, then tell his parents to buy some too. shootout is inevitable.

i fucking loled
it seems like the obsession is never going to get away, but i think the parents are making it worse; i see it better if we separate the kids from the parents first, then use positive reinforcement to instill gun owner's responsibility. The more you shield him away from the guns, the more the kid's obsession will be.

[Copper]

There's nothing you or anyone can do to prevent him from eventually purchasing a gun. Its been programmed (by himself) in his head that he really wants/needs one.

My advice:

1. Keep and eye on him.
2. If i were the parents i would tell him i will kick him out if he buy's one.
3. Follow through if the previous happens.

[Mafia_Insurance]

kill him

[Steedafied]

kill him

FUCKING LOL.


No but seriously, what about getting him to enroll in any of the armed forces? There he can have as many guns as he wants, plenty of target practice (real or fake targets) and he can also be blown to bits so he never gets the chance to kill innocent people in the real world lol.:rolleyes2:

[Mafia_Insurance]

and there you have it

[Mafia_Insurance]

either he gets killed or useful, armed forces ftw

[del slo team]

SpdRcrChk, DO NOT HESITATE! Report this person as he is clearly got YOU worried. If you have the power to prevent something horrible from occuring, then do so.

[HA1FAMAZIN]

maybe like a sort of intervention have him meet victims incidental shootings take him to a funeral or morgue try to scare him straight or not scare him but allow him to realize the negative repercussions which may come from firearms. the problem also is kids at that age are also very aggressive.

[SpdRcrChk]

FUCKING LOL.


No but seriously, what about getting him to enroll in any of the armed forces? There he can have as many guns as he wants, plenty of target practice (real or fake targets) and he can also be blown to bits so he never gets the chance to kill innocent people in the real world lol.:rolleyes2:

Nice one. I thought about that, and even mentioned it to someone he knows but I don't know that they'd actually go for it. It is a good suggestion IMHO. I'll see if I mention it again

SpdRcrChk, DO NOT HESITATE! Report this person as he is clearly got YOU worried. If you have the power to prevent something horrible from occuring, then do so.

Who am I gonna report him to?

maybe like a sort of intervention have him meet victims incidental shootings take him to a funeral or morgue try to scare him straight or not scare him but allow him to realize the negative repercussions which may come from firearms. the problem also is kids at that age are also very aggressive.

That's not a bad idea. Thanks for the input. I'll mention that too.

[Ern]

ok, so he know alot about guns..... how much does he know about ammo?

[Ochizon]

how about the police academy/force?

[SpdRcrChk]

ok, so he know alot about guns..... how much does he know about ammo?

it's not the knowledge that worries me. having a hobby is one thing. but being immature, not fully understanding repercussions, bein' trigger happy, etc., etc. i would understand if the kid grew up in an environment where safety was covered, responsibility was instilled, etc. but that's not the case here. it was gone about all the wrong way and i wonder if it's too late

[SpdRcrChk]

how about the police academy/force?

yah that's along the lines of the armed forces too. maybe not such a bad idea to encourage. although i wonder how power happy he'd be as an officer.

btw omg ur avi is throwback!!

[Ern]

im just saying, just get him blanks. he cant tell

[SpdRcrChk]

LoL ok but what about when he goes out and buys it himself?

[Ern]

make him a deal. his 18 and broke.(most likely)
buy it for him

[SpdRcrChk]

yeah i'm not sure how long u can keep that up.

[Ern]

he'll probably shoot some1 before he finds out there blanks.
then the lesson is learned

[cookieMONSTER1]

Ok, so I know this kid . . . he's 17. About to turn 18.

Ever since he was younger, he's had a very unhealthy obsession with guns/firearms.

It's all he thinks about. Spends hours on the internet reading up on them. As a child, they noted the obsession so sometimes, they'd take away his gun/firearm toys. He'd make guns out of sticks, out of foil paper, whatever was available. He's tried making his own ACTUAL guns (unsuccessfully but he's tried).

He's tried to get others around him to buy him a handgun (unsuccessfully). Parents' first mistake . . . they bought him an AK47 Rifle (with money the kid had saved up over the years). But . . . they took it away and put it into storage. Why, you ask? Because the kid's brother . . . (who is 14 and has a knife obsession) actually tried to stun gun his own father during an argument. Both kids say they hate their parents. So the father got scared and put the gun away in storage.

The kid has spent countless hours searching for a handgun which technically turned into more of a family heirloom. He swears his grandfather would have wanted him to have it. He never even met his grandfather, there were other grandchildren before him. That gun has also been taken and put into safekeeping.

The kid's about to turn 18. Doesn't have a CLUE about the type of responsibility that comes with owning a gun. I know the handgun laws. But I also know that you can easily obtain a firearm through other means . . . and I know he can easily purchase a shotgun/rifle at 18. Is there any way to prevent him from actually obtaining one on his own? What would you do in this situation?

as soon as he turns 18 he is allowed to POSSESS a hang gun and purchase it from a private owner/ can be given to him / blah blah blah. it is ILLEGAL for an FFL LICENSED PERSON & ALL GUN SHOPS TO SELL HIM ONE ALONG WITH PISTOL AMMUNITION.

he can possess the gun inside his house or car as long as it is inside the glove box, or sitting in the passenger seat holstered with the strap over the trigger.

the 3 step thing is a LIE cops only tell you that shit to bust your balls, you can beat the WRAP but you might not beat the RIDE if you know what i mean.

personally i dont think you should purchase one for him. even though it is perfectly legal for him to own one and possess it on his property ie house or car, people of mental instability should not have a firearm in their possesion.

if he wanted to he can just go on any local gun forum to the classified section and purchase one off someone, or go to a gun show and buy one there. so really there is no stopping him unless you marchman act or bakeract him for mental instability reasons, in that case he wont ever be able to own a firearm LEGALLY. so your best bet is to pray you dont piss this kid off.

i am VERY familiar with the gun laws of the state of florida, i am 20, the first firearm i bought was my ak, now i have a variety ranging from assault rifles to pistols/revolvers. and yes i carry it in my car, both the ak and a 44 mag, both loaded. reason being, is that florida is a stand your ground state, therefor if your life feels threatend you have the right to stand your ground instead of flee.

i dont ride around with the guns just to act hard/scare people/or intentionally hurt anyone, but if they decide to fuck with the wrong person, im going to exercise my right and protect my life, and the lives of my family.

shit, before i even got my guns i hated them, reason i got them was because the way this economy is going and the president doing business, these fucks are going to try and ban guns all together (it probably wont happen but the restrictions will get worse) i can be assured that mine were grandfathered in. i mean come on, they take the guns away from the law abiding citizens and all the felons get to keep theirs.

and as for this kid thinking about buying a gun, he should really get a good ass beating from his parents.

[SpdRcrChk]

i thought i was well aware of the gun laws, but i guess i was mistaken. i was under the impression that you can't own a HANDGUN until you're 21. But that you could own a rifle when you're 18.

I don't think there would be sufficient grounds for him to be marchman / baker acted at this point. there has been no attempt at harming himself and/or others, that we know of.

[oliver]

the military is a good idea, I would talk to a police officer and see if he has any input in this situation. this shit is serious

[cookieMONSTER1]

i thought i was well aware of the gun laws, but i guess i was mistaken. i was under the impression that you can't own a HANDGUN until you're 21. But that you could own a rifle when you're 18.

I don't think there would be sufficient grounds for him to be marchman / baker acted at this point. there has been no attempt at harming himself and/or others, that we know of.

his mental instability is the main thing we are focusing on, and yes i even have the fla legislature printed in my glove box next to my gun, some cops arent aware if the law either. it has gotten me out of handcuffs before.

think about it, would you like living the rest of your life with this on your mind?

:buddy gets a gun, shoots his parents or someone else, they die, and you say, damn i should have done something when i had the chance:

talk with his parents because if he really wants a gun, hes going to get it no matter what.

[cookieMONSTER1]

i suggest this forum to all the gun owners of this site,

www.flaguns.com check it out.lost of stuff for sale & and you can educate yourself on gun laws.

[SpdRcrChk]

the military is a good idea, I would talk to a police officer and see if he has any input in this situation. this shit is serious

tell me about it.

his mental instability is the main thing we are focusing on, and yes i even have the fla legislature printed in my glove box next to my gun, some cops arent aware if the law either. it has gotten me out of handcuffs before.

think about it, would you like living the rest of your life with this on your mind?

:buddy gets a gun, shoots his parents or someone else, they die, and you say, damn i should have done something when i had the chance:

talk with his parents because if he really wants a gun, hes going to get it no matter what.

i don't want to stand idly by, but the parents are really difficult to talk to. one of them is just a little ignorant and the other one never wants to listen to what anyone else has to say.

i think i will attempt though, and just suggest things like encouraging signing up for the military or the police force. i know they probably wont be willing to take other actions regarding his mental state because it's just too much of a hassle and not enough proof to go on.

[cookieMONSTER1]

tell me about it.



i don't want to stand idly by, but the parents are really difficult to talk to. one of them is just a little ignorant and the other one never wants to listen to what anyone else has to say.

i think i will attempt though, and just suggest things like encouraging signing up for the military or the police force. i know they probably wont be willing to take other actions regarding his mental state because it's just too much of a hassle and not enough proof to go on.

well remember, children obtain traits their parents have, maybe they need counseling as well, but fuck it, if they dont want help, they are just going to have to learn the hard way /thread.

sounds like too much machismo/chusma from the parents part.

[HA1FAMAZIN]

who knows maybe this kid will be very responsible when he gets a gun i know i cant say who mentally healthy or not since more than 33 % of the population is supposed to have some sort of mental illness. i mean like someone stated who draws the line on obsession and a strong interest. maybe were not giving the kid enough credit

[Battosaii]

imo the military is the best idea for him. he loves guns so just tell him in the military he will get paid to use guns he will never be able to own as a civilian that should be incentive enough.

i know alot of people that have gone into the military and they never come back the same, maybe this will be a good thing for him.

[SpdRcrChk]

personally i think the military would be a good idea for him. not only as an eyeopener, but as a way to gain some of that much needed maturity and discipline.

[Mafia_Insurance]

Convince the parents that if he doesn't join the military he is going to kill someone

[dr. pinkerton]

Maybe he can channel his energy's into sports. IE hunting, target shooting, trap(sp?) shooting etc etc.

Seems like a very unique situation.

I think this is a great suggestion as those activities would require proper education with maintaining, cleaning, and operating the firearm.

obviously he has an obsession for one. the more you tell him no, the more he is going to want it. but by getting him involved in some sport or activity using the firearm, he will be more worried about performing well in the sport than toting it around for fun.

Plus he'll meet others that are more mature and of greater age, which hopefully he will look up to and take good advice form. It's easier sometimes to take advice from someone else that is involved in the hobby than it is from family who are not.

[MrBlueOval]

he is just a little turd with a hard on for guns i don't think he is crazy or anything like just young and stupid i think military would help him but what he really needs is an ass kicking .. his problem is that he thinks he an adult and his shit smells like roses .. what he need is for every one to stop babing his ass like every does and give him a taste of the real world .... blood sweat and tears

[OfourTHREEfive]

If he doesnt get it legally he will just get bigger and better guns on the street illegally, its a bad situation.

[DegreE]

+1 for sending that little pecker to the Marines.


Tell a local recruiter about this kid and his obsession with firearms, that will give the recruiter the fuel he needs to start feeding bullshit into his head about all the guns he will get to play with and what not. The military will set him straight.

[Brendon]

No prevention. If he wants to he is going obtain them legally or otherwise. You can try to stress safety and make him more responsible but that will more than likely not work either.