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ChopSticks
11-04-2010, 10:54 PM
The Gun is Civilization

by Maj.. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation.. and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

rsio2002
11-04-2010, 11:05 PM
agree 110% I am a proud member of the NRA and a strong believer in the second amendment. If you cant defend yourself and your loved ones who will?

DegreE
11-04-2010, 11:09 PM
It pisses me off that you are not allowed to carry in NYC. Even us military folk can't carry.

AiL45
11-04-2010, 11:43 PM
good post.

Cashtr0
11-05-2010, 11:02 AM
yessir

Cashtr0
11-05-2010, 11:03 AM
i put a video on my fb about the guy comparing states who allow u to carry weapon n those who dont and the crime rates etc...

edit: here is that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ8L7nqL1rs

RFFG
11-05-2010, 11:40 AM
amen to that

ROB
11-05-2010, 12:17 PM
PEW PEW PEW PEW pew PEW PEW PEW PEW

ijs

AiL45
11-05-2010, 12:25 PM
if interested, had read this article a while back and explained a lot

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

its actually not that long as the page may seem, its just they cited pretty much everything, as they should.

http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/florida.jpg

SpdRcrChk
11-05-2010, 01:41 PM
good post.

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if interested, had read this article a while back and explained a lot

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

its actually not that long as the page may seem, its just they cited pretty much everything, as they should.

http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/florida.jpg

don't get me wrong. everyone knows i'm all for the right to carry and own. but the fact that there was a considerable drop circa 1982 means there was something else that contributed to the rate drop. just wanna point that out in case some people assume what you're saying is that it dropped because people are allowed to carry. can't say it didn't have anything to do with it at all though, because after the law was passed, the rate dropped even more so.

i don't understand, how others don't understand, that banning the right to carry and/or own doesn't really keep "crime" from happening. while there are accidental deaths, gun control doesn't mean criminals wont get their hands on them. they probably had their hands on them before, illegally at that. and they'll continue to own them in such a manner.

AiL45
11-05-2010, 03:32 PM
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don't get me wrong. everyone knows i'm all for the right to carry and own. but the fact that there was a considerable drop circa 1982 means there was something else that contributed to the rate drop. just wanna point that out in case some people assume what you're saying is that it dropped because people are allowed to carry. can't say it didn't have anything to do with it at all though, because after the law was passed, the rate dropped even more so.

i don't understand, how others don't understand, that banning the right to carry and/or own doesn't really keep "crime" from happening. while there are accidental deaths, gun control doesn't mean criminals wont get their hands on them. they probably had their hands on them before, illegally at that. and they'll continue to own them in such a manner.

oh yea i agree, point of the chart was that florida was constantly over the avg in the usa. but after carry being allowed not only did we drop like the rest of the country but we were equal to and even less than the average

also i should of posted these as well in comparision

http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/dc.jpg

http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago.jpg