View Full Version : Metal Gear Solid in '08
}{yBr!D^
08-09-2006, 07:31 PM
It's offical... Hideo Kojima made a public announcement about the movie being recorded... w00t... it'll be released sometime in '08... wonder who's playing who :) or where they plan on starting the movie (what part of the game(s)).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808372/
KingDavid
08-09-2006, 07:33 PM
I hope it doesn't flop like almost all the other video games to movies.
verdugo09
08-09-2006, 07:56 PM
^
you know it will
Manny
08-09-2006, 09:54 PM
Metal Gear ranks in the top 5 RPG games, IMHO.
TypeRKoncepts
08-09-2006, 10:00 PM
its not an rpg. i guess its stealth/action-adventure.
and i wonder who'll play solid snake.
Manny
08-09-2006, 10:14 PM
its not an rpg. i guess its stealth/action-adventure.
and i wonder who'll play solid snake.
It is a RPG. What constitutes a RPG?
KingDavid
08-09-2006, 10:26 PM
It is a RPG. What constitutes a RPG?Games have official genres. Metal gear is not a RPG game. RPGs would fall under Final Fantasy, Lord of the Rings, Harvest Moon, Everquest, etc...Now, Metal gear solid series would fall under general action.
wow david schooled somebody... manny you should just end yourself..
Manny
08-09-2006, 10:40 PM
Games have official genres. Metal gear is not a RPG game. RPGs would fall under Final Fantasy, Lord of the Rings, Harvest Moon, Everquest, etc...Now, Metal gear solid series would fall under general action.
Like RPGs, Metal Gear has character evolution. Traditionally, RPG's have a ranking system for characters to progress along as the story continues. Metal Gear has a ranking system where Snake can level-up his stats. RPGs have a character's hit points increase, Metal Gear has a growing life bar. RPGs have power levels, Metal Gear has guns. Potions, rations. Level restrictions, key cards. And so on. Having Solid Snake use C4 to blow down a door to the computer room is much less geekier than using a magical elvish item to gain entrance to the cave of wisdom. Barriers, such as a locked door, present a challenge to evolve a character but in a different way. Where in other RPGs a level 10 wizard is the only way to cast a spell to open a door, Metal Gear has Solid Snake hold a level 3 key card to open a door.
Come again....
Manny
08-09-2006, 10:41 PM
wow david schooled somebody... manny you should just end yourself..
Yani... remember... Manny > you
EXTREMUM
08-09-2006, 10:42 PM
Super Moderator Sir, move thread to here...
http://www.floridastreetscene.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=48
Manny
08-09-2006, 10:47 PM
Super Moderator Sir, move thread to here...
http://www.floridastreetscene.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=48
done
KingDavid
08-09-2006, 10:50 PM
Like RPGs, Metal Gear has character evolution. Traditionally, RPG's have a ranking system for characters to progress along as the story continues. Metal Gear has a ranking system where Snake can level-up his stats. RPGs have a character's hit points increase, Metal Gear has a growing life bar. RPGs have power levels, Metal Gear has guns. Potions, rations. Level restrictions, key cards. And so on. Having Solid Snake use C4 to blow down a door to the computer room is much less geekier than using a magical elvish item to gain entrance to the cave of wisdom. Barriers, such as a locked door, present a challenge to evolve a character but in a different way. Where in other RPGs a level 10 wizard is the only way to cast a spell to open a door, Metal Gear has Solid Snake hold a level 3 key card to open a door.
Come again....The official genre of Metal Gear Solid (correct me if I'm wrong) is not RPG. But an Action/Adventure genre. But I'll check again to see if I'm wrong. ;)
Note: Gamespot and IGN both call this an action game. Not an RPG. RPGs are fantasy stuff for the most part.
Manny
08-09-2006, 10:52 PM
The official genre of Metal Gear Solid (correct me if I'm wrong) is not RPG. But an Action/Adventure genre. But I'll check again to see if I'm wrong. ;)
Note: Gamespot and IGN both call this an action game. Not an RPG. RPGs are fantasy stuff for the most part.
Trust me... killing and espionage is 'fantasy' for a lot of sick people.
IMHO, I can careless what IGN or Gamespot calls it.
TypeRKoncepts
08-09-2006, 11:02 PM
RPG has traditional Turn-Based combat, even Zelda is an action rpg not a full on rpg because it doesn't have turn based combat. And characters dont just level up they have individual stats such as hp, strength, dexterity etc.
MGS or any MG is not an RPG.
Boostjunkie
08-09-2006, 11:05 PM
RPG has traditional Turn-Based combat, even Zelda is an action rpg not a full on rpg because it doesn't have turn based combat. And characters dont just level up they have individual stats such as hp, strength, dexterity etc.
MGS or any MG is not an RPG.
Truth. x2
KingDavid
08-09-2006, 11:10 PM
Trust me... killing and espionage is 'fantasy' for a lot of sick people.
IMHO, I can careless what IGN or Gamespot calls it.Since we're going to opinions, I NEVER cared about a genre. If the game was good, it was good. And thats it.
Manny
08-09-2006, 11:13 PM
Since we're going to opinions, I NEVER cared about a genre. If the game was good, it was good. And thats it.
Genres are subjective.
Manny
08-09-2006, 11:17 PM
RPG has traditional Turn-Based combat, even Zelda is an action rpg not a full on rpg because it doesn't have turn based combat. And characters dont just level up they have individual stats such as hp, strength, dexterity etc.
MGS or any MG is not an RPG.
Read post 9 again...
The story of each game in the series directly involves the player. While shooters, have little story, Metal Gear has an evolving story. RPGs tend to have a player followa linear storyline, but with multiple choices on how to get there. Metal Gear follows this idea in that many situations can be handled in multiple ways or routes. Where in a shooter you had the choice of blasting your way in or dying, Metal Gear allows the option of sneaking in, distracting enemies, or quietly disposing of foes. Metal Gear force the player to have a small emotional attachment to Solid Snake and other characters of the game throughout his actions the story. You hate the enemies, even the brand x baddies for their cruel actions towards the hero and his allies.
Manny
08-09-2006, 11:26 PM
And characters dont just level up they have individual stats such as hp, strength, dexterity etc.
MGS or any MG is not an RPG.
And your point? Snake gets sick if he eats a bad snake, rabbit, etc. He'll start sneezing which in turn takes a lot of damage if he is shot at, etc.
MGS covers all the traditional aspects of a RPG.
TypeRKoncepts
08-09-2006, 11:28 PM
Read post 9 again...
The story of each game in the series directly involves the player. While shooters, have little story, Metal Gear has an evolving story. RPGs tend to have a player followa linear storyline, but with multiple choices on how to get there.
Metal gear has CG animation the same as any rpg... they all lead to the same story/ending. Just because Resident Evil has multiple endings doesn't make it an RPG.
Metal Gear follows this idea in that many situations can be handled in multiple ways or routes. Where in a shooter you had the choice of blasting your way in or dying, Metal Gear allows the option of sneaking in, distracting enemies, or quietly disposing of foes.
You have a choice to go guns blazing or use sneak/distract techniques in a lot of other games (Splinter Cell, Syphon Filter, hell even Tenchu has stealth with magic and weapons, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six)
Metal Gear force the player to have a small emotional attachment to Solid Snake and other characters of the game throughout his actions the story. You hate the enemies, even the brand x baddies for their cruel actions towards the hero and his allies.
Just because the game gives u a choice it doesn't mean you're playing an RPG, u play a role in every single game (in Tony hawk, u play the role of Tony Hawk) You can get emotionally attached to any characted in any game in any genre... means the developers did a good job on the game.
Its no where near a bloody RPG. And BTW i LOVE the MGS series.. i'm in no way bashing the game, its just not an rpg, its stealth/action.
That is all.
TypeRKoncepts
08-09-2006, 11:30 PM
And your point? Snake gets sick if he eats a bad snake, rabbit, etc. He'll start sneezing which in turn takes a lot of damage if he is shot at, etc.
MGS covers all the traditional aspects of a RPG.
Ok? In dead rising, if the main character gets bitten he starts to run slower and limp. Which in turn makes him an easier target.
Hell in Mario 64 if mario is down in health he starts to gasp for breath when u stop.
Gravy
08-09-2006, 11:32 PM
halo > all!!!!!
TypeRKoncepts
08-09-2006, 11:33 PM
damn man fuck basketball... lets just play halo at 7:30 everyday.
probably still have to take a shower after a few heated rounds of Swords only battles
Manny
08-09-2006, 11:33 PM
Metal gear has CG animation the same as any rpg... they all lead to the same story/ending. Just because Resident Evil has multiple endings doesn't make it an RPG.
You have a choice to go guns blazing or use sneak/distract techniques in a lot of other games (Splinter Cell, Syphon Filter, hell even Tenchu has stealth with magic and weapons, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six)
Just because the game gives u a choice it doesn't mean you're playing an RPG, u play a role in every single game (in Tony hawk, u play the role of Tony Hawk) You can get emotionally attached to any characted in any game in any genre... means the developers did a good job on the game.
Its no where near a bloody RPG. And BTW i LOVE the MGS series.. i'm in no way bashing the game, its just not an rpg, its stealth/action.
That is all.
What you don't understand is that MGS follows all the traditional aspects of what constitutes a RPG. There are no set guidelines that all RPG abide by. It is based on opinion. It's like saying Shrek 2 is a PG movie... adults know it is not.
TypeRKoncepts
08-09-2006, 11:36 PM
alright well i disagree. but whatever i'm pretty sure i made my point clear but i'm not arguing anymore video games i'm just gonna go play em.
Manny
08-09-2006, 11:41 PM
alright well i disagree. but whatever i'm pretty sure i made my point clear but i'm not arguing anymore video games i'm just gonna go play em.
Im sorry but you are not making your point clear... you refute everything else but you don't refute that MGS is similiar to Final Fantasy and other "RPGs".
I say Solid starts sneezing... you say Tidus is under the sleep spell.... but you don't refute that it is the same concept which is traditional of a RPG.
TypeRKoncepts
08-09-2006, 11:53 PM
Here's two highlights from Wikipedia on RPG's which i have mentioned previously...
Statistics
Characters in roleplaying games are usually represented by a number of statistics. Many game systems make distinctions between two key types of statistic: attributes and skills.
Character creation
Before play begins, players develop a concept of the role they would like to play in the game. They then use the game system's character creation rules to form a representation of their characters, in terms of game mechanics.
Also,
"An important characteristic of a CRPG is freedom of movement. Most CRPGs allow the player to travel where he wants, putting few or no implemented restrictions of where the player can go, locked doors not withstanding. This makes exploration an important element to all CRPGs.
Characters in CRPGs often travel long distances or navigate through complex and maze-like locations in order to accomplish their goals; thus, many use a system of maps to help the player navigate through the game world."
MGS (not counting 3, b/c i havent played it) is NOT linear/str8 forward, dont get me wrong. But its not expansive such as Final Fantasy, Xeno gears, etc. u have open ended missions yes, but u dont have a world map to traverse.
I could go on but then again i could be killing zombies in Dead Rising
Boostjunkie
08-09-2006, 11:54 PM
Im sorry but you are not making your point clear... you refute everything else but you don't refute that MGS is similiar to Final Fantasy and other "RPGs".
I say Solid starts sneezing... you say Tidus is under the sleep spell.... but you don't refute that it is the same concept which is traditional of a RPG.
When I think of RPG's, I think of games that enable you to level up in order to progress through the game, otherwise you will be stuck since you are not powerful enough to succeed at a boss or area. I'm a big Metal Gear fan and not once have I thought of it as being an RPG, but as a stealth/action game.
TypeRKoncepts
08-09-2006, 11:55 PM
crpgs = computer rpg's
Manny
08-09-2006, 11:59 PM
When I think of RPG's, I think of games that enable you to level up in order to progress through the game, otherwise you will be stuck since you are not powerful enough to succeed at a boss or area.
That is based on skill of the player... I for one didn't need 9999 hp to beat Sephiroth in FF.
Boostjunkie
08-10-2006, 12:03 AM
That is based on skill of the player... I for one didn't need 9999 hp to beat Sephiroth in FF.
Right, but I would bet that you wouldn't be able to beat him if you weren't decently levelled up either. This is not the case when it comes to MGS bosses.
TypeRKoncepts
08-10-2006, 12:07 AM
Right, but I would bet that you wouldn't be able to beat him if you weren't decently levelled up either. This is not the case when it comes to MGS bosses.
Very good point douche bag
Manny
08-10-2006, 12:08 AM
Right, but I would bet that you wouldn't be able to beat him if you weren't decently levelled up either. This is not the case when it comes to MGS bosses.
Not necessarily, without the proper equipment you ain't gonna win. It is like entering a fight with a boss in FF without Shiva :p
Same goes for Snake if he fights revolver w/o a gun.
TypeRKoncepts
08-10-2006, 12:10 AM
"A good portion of these games is spent avoiding, preparing for, or carrying out fights. Combat is usually carried out in either turn-based or real-time modes. In a turn-based system, only one character may act at a time; all other characters remain still, with a few exceptions that involve the use of special abilities. The order in which the characters act is usually based on a system that depends on the characters' attributes. In real-time mode, there are no turn restrictions and characters may act at any time. A variant of this mode called real-time with pause allows the player to pause the game and issue orders to all characters under his/her control; when the game is un-paused, all characters follow the orders they were given."
But real time mode is considered Action/RPG.
Boostjunkie
08-10-2006, 12:11 AM
Not necessarily, without the proper equipment you ain't gonna win. It is like entering a fight with a boss in FF without Shiva :p
So your saying you could still beat him even if you were only on Level 1? I find that hard to believe.
Manny
08-10-2006, 12:14 AM
So your saying you could still beat him even if you were only on Level 1? I find that hard to believe.
I never said that...
Boostjunkie
08-10-2006, 12:16 AM
I never said that...
Your implying it though. You still need to be properly levelled up to have a chance against him. Thats my entire point.
I just noticed the edit in your other post... You will have a gun regardless when you fight Revolver Ocelot anyways, its not like you have a choice.
Manny
08-10-2006, 12:19 AM
Your implying it though. You still need to be properly levelled up to have a chance against him. Thats my entire point..
There is a difference between implying and you intrepretation... I never implied. I am not a game nerd.
I just noticed the edit in your other post... You will have a gun regardless when you fight Revolver Ocelot anyways, its not like you have a choice.
You will have a gun but can run out of bullets..
Boostjunkie
08-10-2006, 12:21 AM
There is a difference between implying and you intrepretation... I never implied. I am not a game nerd.
You will have a gun but can run out of bullets..
I am not one either, I just don't think its an RPG and I am stating my reasons for it.
You can run out of bullets true, but when you do run out, ammo magically appears so that you can have enough to beat him.
Manny
08-10-2006, 12:24 AM
You can run out of bullets true, but when you do run out, ammo magically appears so that you can have enough to beat him.
LOL... I knew you was going to bring up that point.... that happens when you play on the ROOKIE difficulty ;)
TypeRKoncepts
08-10-2006, 12:28 AM
uu know what... fuck IGN, fuck gamespot
Konami -
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty Stealth Action PlayStation®2 M Available Now
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance Stealth Action PlayStation®2 M Available Now
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Stealth Action PlayStation®2 M Available Now
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence Stealth Action PlayStation®2 M Available Now
Did i say stealth action at the beginning of this thread?? YES SIRREEE
/END DEBATE
TypeRKoncepts
08-10-2006, 12:32 AM
More proof -
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/xsydx/mgs_rpg.jpg
Now /Thread damnit
Boostjunkie
08-10-2006, 12:32 AM
LOL... I knew you was going to bring up that point.... that happens when you play on the ROOKIE difficulty ;)
Alright, I'm going to test this out tomorrow when I have time to spare to confirm this as I have never ran out of bullets in the normal or higher difficulties in MGS when fighting Ocelot. Only saw this as my brother completely sucks at MGS. :lawl:
TypeRKoncepts
08-10-2006, 12:33 AM
thread is done ryan, we can all go to sleep now
Boostjunkie
08-10-2006, 12:36 AM
I am a douche, therefore I must continue.
TypeRKoncepts
08-10-2006, 12:36 AM
lol k douche bag i'm going to sleep. if rawkus wants to continue to argue fight my battle for me.
Make me proud.
Gravy
08-10-2006, 12:37 AM
dam ok sid calm down. sheesh he did research and all. sid > manny on this one.
dam ok sid calm down. sheesh he did research and all. sid > manny on this one.
fuck that, king david was the orignal victor here... if i was manny i'd be going down the river right about now.
in mannys loose definition of rpg any game could be an rpg. super mario bros could be because you play the role of mario and need to power up "get big" to be able to beat some levels without smashing your controller into pieces, and you have the freedom of choice to explore levels or just skip them completely using warps... if mannys logic worked there'd be no reason for genre's because in every game you play some role so they're all RPG's... but at the end mannys logic fails miserably.
your motor has pistons, rods, cams, valves etc, a v8 engine has pistons, rods, valves, cams, valves, etc... does that make your engine a V8?
Manny
08-10-2006, 09:46 AM
in mannys loose definition of rpg any game could be an rpg. super mario bros could be because you play the role of mario and need to power up "get big" to be able to beat some levels without smashing your controller into pieces, and you have the freedom of choice to explore levels or just skip them completely using warps...
No... your logic fails miserably.
1. You suck if you can't beat Super Mario Bro. by just being small by now.
2. You don't have an ifinite amount of time to roam around...remember when time gets to 100 how the music speeds up?
Get da fak outta here... You fail to see the obvious similarities between a RPG & MGS.
No... your logic fails miserably.
1. You suck if you can't beat Super Mario Bro. by just being small by now.
2. You don't have an ifinite amount of time to roam around...remember when time gets to 100 how the music speeds up?
Get da fak outta here... You fail to see the obvious similarities between a RPG & MGS.
trust me, your logic wasnt much better. i play the role of mario... i role play in the game.
It is a RPG. What constitutes a RPG?rpg is when your character gets stronger as he progresses the game or earns points.
david hayter should play snake
KingDavid
08-10-2006, 10:39 AM
rpg is when your character gets stronger as he progresses the game or earns points.We're still on this?! WTF yo? You play roles in most games. That doesn't make it an RPG. MGS is more of action than a TYPICAL RPG. This game is nowhere near a TYPICAL RPG. Its genral genre is action. Its specific type of genre is stealth. Hideo Kojima said it. Gamespot said it. And IGN said it. They all said it. End of story.
im not reading 4 pages of post whoring to make sure that it was corrrected. thats the definition of an RPG according to game informer
KingDavid
08-10-2006, 10:54 AM
im not reading 4 pages of post whoring to make sure that it was corrrected. thats the definition of an RPG according to game informerNot you leo. lolz.
oh...........................
KingDavid
08-10-2006, 11:06 AM
So this thread took a nasty shit backwards.
fuck this thread.
theyre making a halo movie also.
KingDavid
08-10-2006, 11:09 AM
I think the halo movie is going to to great in box office sales. Because no matter how sorry the movie may be, people will still go to see it because they love the game so much.
lol just like final fantasy the spirits within? lmfao.
i hope they make it live. with actors instead of the bullshit graphics shit
rick the ripper
08-10-2006, 11:19 AM
I cant wait till it comes out
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