TRD finally offers supercharger for the Scion tC [Archive]

Boostjunkie

10-18-2005, 12:24 PM

Finally! TRD officially offers supercharger for Scion tC

Posted Oct 17, 2005, 6:30 PM ET by Randall Halcomb

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This was a long time coming. Scion had announced the supercharger at the tC’s debut, but had left enthusiasts hanging for the TRD part to officially go on sale. The centrifugal supercharger is designed to provide 200 horsepower, which is a 25% increase in peak horsepower. Peak torque output is also claimed to rise 13%, with torque increasing right to redline. The supercharger is available for manual transmission cars only through TRD. Retail pricing is set at $3200, plus installation. Thanks to Rocket Punch for the tip; the full press release can be found at the jump.

Toyota Racing Development (TRD) and Scion announced today that a TRD supercharger for the Scion tC sports coupe will be available through dealerships beginning today. The TRD supercharger will help the stock tC’s 160-horsepower engine put out up to 200 horsepower and increase maximum torque up to 13 percent.

This all-new TRD supercharger is compatible with both 2005 and 2006 model year Scion tC sports coupes with manual transmissions.
This centrifugal supercharger, which produces seven pounds of boost, was chosen for its compact configuration, ease of installation on the tC and smooth power delivery characteristics.

The supercharger, when installed by an authorized Scion or Toyota dealer, falls under the same powertrain warranty of five years or 60,000 miles, or the balance of the new car warranty, whichever is greater. When not installed by a dealer, the supercharger is covered by a 12-month, 12,000-mile parts-only warranty.

The manufacturer’s suggested retail price of the TRD supercharger is $3,200, not including installation.

Source: Autoblog

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Yani

10-18-2005, 12:36 PM

wow hp:$ sucks on that thing.

Robi

10-18-2005, 12:38 PM

wow hp:$ sucks on that thing.Yeah but that is a trade off. People get upgraded performance (although marginal) but still get to keep warranty.

Its just one of those marketing things.

Yani

10-18-2005, 12:40 PM

Yeah but that is a trade off. People get upgraded performance (although marginal) but still get to keep warranty.

Its just one of those marketing things.

the ratio still sucks, dodge gets yopu about 50 more WHP for about 800 bucks

Bone

10-18-2005, 12:57 PM

the ratio still sucks, dodge gets yopu about 50 more WHP for about 800 bucksbut your buying a dodge! yotas consistantly reach 250-300,000 miles put on the car. dodge is lucky to see 180,000 miles.

you pay for quality.....

verdugo09

10-18-2005, 12:59 PM

True True

Toyota is one of those company´s that really know how to expleoit their reputation

Robi

10-18-2005, 12:59 PM

the ratio still sucks, dodge gets yopu about 50 more WHP for about 800 bucksI can assume you are talking about the mopar stages?

Remember different companies, different parts and performance.

Yani

10-18-2005, 02:11 PM

but your buying a dodge! yotas consistantly reach 250-300,000 miles put on the car. dodge is lucky to see 180,000 miles.

you pay for quality.....

wow you're ignorant. first of all that remark is just dumb. secondly we're talking about performance parts the dealer sells, not the car itself so what does what a car last have to do with what a performance part should cost?

FBP EM1

10-18-2005, 02:27 PM

and i thought this was out a while ago lol

FBP EM1

10-18-2005, 02:31 PM

but your buying a dodge! yotas consistantly reach 250-300,000 miles put on the car. dodge is lucky to see 180,000 miles.

you pay for quality.....

dont know about you, but i doubt i'll ever reach 180k miles on one car lol

I have this thing that after a 2 or 3 years at most I'm already thinking about another one

verdugo09

10-18-2005, 02:31 PM

Ok, sorry interrupt you people, but ain´t that the supercharger for the MR-S. It appeared not too long ago on a Sport Compact Car article about superchargers

Boostjunkie

10-18-2005, 02:44 PM

but your buying a dodge! yotas consistantly reach 250-300,000 miles put on the car. dodge is lucky to see 180,000 miles.

you pay for quality.....

People keep their cars for that long? I've got my car with 33k miles back in 2001, now I have about 65k and I desperately want a different car.

verdugo09

10-18-2005, 02:58 PM

Hey, our old 1985 Toyota Hilux, 4 door version. 350,000 KM, thats about......... 217,000 miles. zero overhauls, just oil change and regular stuff

M.A.R.C.

10-18-2005, 03:11 PM

but your buying a dodge! yotas consistantly reach 250-300,000 miles put on the car. dodge is lucky to see 180,000 miles.

you pay for quality.....

so then you're telling me you've seen a blown scion with 250-300k on the clock? i doubt it. they haven't proven anything yet.

Yani

10-18-2005, 03:13 PM

so then you're telling me you've seen a blown scion with 250-300k on the clock? i doubt it. they haven't proven anything yet.

or a big chunk of the srt's that let go at 180,000 miles...

Celicachick

10-18-2005, 09:39 PM

that sucks what happened to the freaking TRD supercharger for the Celia

Bone

10-18-2005, 10:18 PM

wow you're ignorant. first of all that remark is just dumb. secondly we're talking about performance parts the dealer sells, not the car itself so what does what a car last have to do with what a performance part should cost?quality in performance parts come on read here.

so then you're telling me you've seen a blown scion with 250-300k on the clock? i doubt it. they haven't proven anything yet.no but i have seen many a blown tacos with well over 250,000.

toyota is just straight quality, all thier products last. while living in virginia i new 3 guys that had tacos, 2 were blown and those 2 had 230-300,000 miles on them. the third not blown was sitting at 310,000

I consistantly see yotas in that have lasted for seceral hundred thousand miles. can you really state the same for most any other company other than say honda. not many. dodge most certainly not and if you do it's because the owner has spent a crap load on maintance and probably a rebuild.

so were you can buy a srt4 for only a little more. I seriosly doubt you will see but a few of them get past 190,000 before some serious engine work needs to be done.

that sucks what happened to the freaking TRD supercharger for the Celiathey have rumored test for that for years and i have yet to see anything come of it.

best bet it to just go turbo on the ceilca.

Boostjunkie

10-18-2005, 11:27 PM

no but i have seen many a blown tacos with well over 250,000.

toyota is just straight quality, all thier products last. while living in virginia i new 3 guys that had tacos, 2 were blown and those 2 had 230-300,000 miles on them. the third not blown was sitting at 310,000

Last time I checked, a blown taco is not a blown scion.

I wouldn't say all of their products last, how about that famous 7mgte engine eh?

Solo2Ralf

10-18-2005, 11:27 PM

that sucks what happened to the freaking TRD supercharger for the Celia

They had one for the GT. But never released on for the GTS, probably didn't deam it realible enough with such high compression.

Bone

10-18-2005, 11:35 PM

Last time I checked, a blown taco is not a blown scion.

I wouldn't say all of their products last, how about that famous 7mgte engine eh?regardless of one engine not being to great, which i'm not familiar with the one you speak of. but the majority of yota products are high quality. this is why yota retains such high value many years after it was made.

Yani

10-19-2005, 08:21 AM

quality in performance parts come on read here.

so the mopar stage kits are low quality? do you have proof to back this up or are you just making it up as you go along?

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 09:19 AM

[quote=they have rumored test for that for years and i have yet to see anything come of it.

best bet it to just go turbo on the ceilca.[/quote]

never, turbo equal problem after problem after problem

Yani

10-19-2005, 09:22 AM

never, turbo equal problem after problem after problem

so does super charger....

M.A.R.C.

10-19-2005, 09:27 AM

never, turbo equal problem after problem after problem

elaborate... please.

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 10:36 AM

so does super charger....

which is better for a daily use

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 10:44 AM

elaborate... please.

well, from my understanding a celica gts has a high compression of 11.5 ( i think). with the compression begin so high and running a high boost will lead to problems. plus u have to check the vacuum lines, cooling, timing, ecu, and the list goes on and on. And me being a chick, i have no clue how to check that or fix it .

M.A.R.C.

10-19-2005, 11:00 AM

well, from my understanding a celica gts has a high compression of 11.5 ( i think). with the compression begin so high and running a high boost will lead to problems. plus u have to check the vacuum lines, cooling, timing, ecu, and the list goes on and on. And me being a chick, i have no clue how to check that or fix it .

ok...

the 11.5 compression ratio... it's high, but you take the necessary measures to make it safe on that CR: tuning. more specifically... conservative timing maps. and run "safer" boost levels.

if you make sure ur vacuum lines are secured from the start... you shouldn't have to worry. mine are all fine.

cooling... i'm assuming you mean like the cooling system of the car. if that's in good working order, you shouldn't have a problem. also the tune can help keep temps down. high egt's and detonation = higher heat in the engine = higher temps. keep these factors in control. cooling system should be fine.

timing... you have to check that with a blower on the motor as well. a blower is forcing compressed air into the engine just as a turbo does. compressed air is hot, hot air = more prone to detonation. you keep timing conservative in order to deal with the hotter air charge. most turbo systems people run at least have intercoolers which helps cool the air charge which results in a more dense and safer air charge. so unless the blower in question has some method of cooling the charge. it's just as prone to problems due to the heat of the air charge and you still have to tune timing for the safest conditions whether it's a turbo or a blower, intercooled, or non-intercooled.

ecu... same as above. you generally have to tune the engine for any further increase in air intake or increased power output. factory ecu's can usually correct for some of this but only to an extent. so yet again, with a blower... you still have ecu tuning to worry about. fuel, air, and spark all need to be tuned to ensure safety and power output

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:04 AM

which is better for a daily use

8000 miles on my upgraded turbo setup including a 2k mile road trip and not a single turbo related issue. so i vote for turbo.

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 11:11 AM

ok...

the 11.5 compression ratio... it's high, but you take the necessary measures to make it safe on that CR: tuning. more specifically... conservative timing maps. and run "safer" boost levels.

if you make sure ur vacuum lines are secured from the start... you shouldn't have to worry. mine are all fine.

cooling... i'm assuming you mean like the cooling system of the car. if that's in good working order, you shouldn't have a problem. also the tune can help keep temps down. high egt's and detonation = higher heat in the engine = higher temps. keep these factors in control. cooling system should be fine.

timing... you have to check that with a blower on the motor as well. a blower is forcing compressed air into the engine just as a turbo does. compressed air is hot, hot air = more prone to detonation. you keep timing conservative in order to deal with the hotter air charge. most turbo systems people run at least have intercoolers which helps cool the air charge which results in a more dense and safer air charge. so unless the blower in question has some method of cooling the charge. it's just as prone to problems due to the heat of the air charge and you still have to tune timing for the safest conditions whether it's a turbo or a blower, intercooled, or non-intercooled.

ecu... same as above. you generally have to tune the engine for any further increase in air intake or increased power output. factory ecu's can usually correct for some of this but only to an extent. so yet again, with a blower... you still have ecu tuning to worry about. fuel, air, and spark all need to be tuned to ensure safety and power output

question, u have a honda? right, is a honda and a celica engine built the same or have the same issues.

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:16 AM

question, u have a honda? right, is a honda and a celica engine built the same or have the same issues.

answer. an internal combustion engine is an internal combustion engine. what he stated is valid across the whole spectrum of internal combustion gasoline engines.

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 11:18 AM

8000 miles on my upgraded turbo setup including a 2k mile road trip and not a single turbo related issue. so i vote for turbo.

Are u running that upgraded turbo on your 05 Srt4, if u are, u can’t compare a neon to a celica, no disrespect, Srt. Srt stock comes with a turbo engine, right, so of course it could handle an upgraded turbo better then a non-turbo engine, right

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:26 AM

Are u running that upgraded turbo on your 05 Srt4, if u are, u can’t compare a neon to a celica, no disrespect, Srt. Srt stock comes with a turbo engine, right, so of course it could handle an upgraded turbo better then a non-turbo engine, right

i changed every single aspect of my stock turbo setup when i upgraded the turbo. my turbo setup required me to change jsut as many parts as a turbo setup on a celica. any car can handle a turbo setup jsut fine. jsut know the limits of the motor, i know the limits of my motor so i wont pass 500whp on my daily driver, just like a celica owner that turbos there car should know there limits and stay within the safe boundries. so why cant i compare it?

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 11:28 AM

answer. an internal combustion engine is an internal combustion engine. what he stated is valid across the whole spectrum of internal combustion gasoline engines.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: internal combusition engine :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

u could have just simple said that both car engines are powered the same way . which is fuel

Robi

10-19-2005, 11:29 AM

Are u running that upgraded turbo on your 05 Srt4, if u are, u can’t compare a neon to a celica, no disrespect, Srt. Srt stock comes with a turbo engine, right, so of course it could handle an upgraded turbo better then a non-turbo engine, right Yes you are correct, that is where the HIGH vs LOW compression comes into play.

Usually high compression engines are not turboed, vice low compressions are. That is where all the info MARC posted comes into play.

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:29 AM

no, because diesel is a fuel, gasoline is a fuel, alcohol is a fuel, and methanol is a fuel. they all cause the engine to react differently. a 2 stroke motor in a lawn mower is internal combustion... are you going to tell me tha motor is the same as in your celica?

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:30 AM

Yes you are correct, that is where the HIGH vs LOW compression comes into play.

Usually high compression engines are not turboed, vice low compressions are. That is where all the info MARC posted comes into play.

yes they are, people turbo high comp engines all the time, rsx's type r's etc. most people are building high comp motors just for boost 10:1 is very common on a build motor some even 11:1. i want to go 9.5:1 or 10:1 on my neon even though stock is 8.x:1

Robi

10-19-2005, 11:30 AM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: internal combusition engine :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

u could have just simple said that both car engines are powered the same way . which is fuel Actually he is right.

Seems like you are confused, remember fuel is anything that feeds a fire.

Paper is a fuel, put a flame to it, and watch it burn. So technically he couldnt say engines that are powered by fuel. Remember there are call kinds of fuel.

Internal combustion is the correct term.

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:33 AM

no offense to the women that actually know something on this site but you said it all right here

And me being a chick, i have no clue how to check that or fix it .

Robi

10-19-2005, 11:33 AM

Usually high compression engines are not turboed
yes they are, people turbo high comp engines all the timeI meant usually by stock form. I have never seen a STOCK high compression engine turboed from the factory. I know people turbo high compression engines all the time.

Like Marc said, as long as you watch the tune, you will be fine. :tongue2:

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 11:34 AM

i changed every single aspect of my stock turbo setup when i upgraded the turbo. my turbo setup required me to change jsut as many parts as a turbo setup on a celica. any car can handle a turbo setup jsut fine. jsut know the limits of the motor, i know the limits of my motor so i wont pass 500whp on my daily driver, just like a celica owner that turbos there car should know there limits and stay within the safe boundries. so why cant i compare it?

U are trying to compare oranges and apples, bananas and grapes, one is turbo engine, the other is non-turbo, it isn’t rocker scientist , it’s more like common sense. :jerkit:

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:35 AM

U are trying to compare oranges and apples, bananas and grapes, one is turbo engine, the other is non-turbo, it isn’t rocker scientist , it’s more like common sense. :jerkit:

what does being a turbo engine and not a turbo engine have to do with anything? like i said, know the limits and you'll be fine. its common sense.

Robi

10-19-2005, 11:35 AM

This might get ugly

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:36 AM

I meant usually by stock form. I have never seen a STOCK high compression engine turboed from the factory. I know people turbo high compression engines all the time.

Like Marc said, as long as you watch the tune, you will be fine. :tongue2:

ah ok gotcha

but just to nit pick, ever looked at diesel trucks? :eek:

M.A.R.C.

10-19-2005, 11:36 AM

question, u have a honda? right, is a honda and a celica engine built the same or have the same issues.

yes i do. but that still doesn't change the fact that fuel, air, and spark need to be tuned. weak points in the motor's design are going to be affected by how well that is tuned. think about this. a while ago people used to say... "you can't boost a sohc honda past 200whp or else it will snap a rod." the rods are weak, this is true, but back when this was the general consensus, people were using half ass tuning tools and resources. nowadays with better options, a good tune is easier to get and the longevity and power that the motors are seeing has shot up.

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 11:38 AM

no offense to the women that actually know something on this site but you said it all right here

And whats your point yani,

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:43 AM

And whats your point yani,

that you shouldnt argue about what you dont know.

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 11:44 AM

what does being a turbo engine and not a turbo engine have to do with anything? like i said, know the limits and you'll be fine. its common sense.

Are u stuck on dumb or just stuck on stupid, u can’t compare a turbo engine to a non turbo engine. Thats my point !!!!!!!!!!!! Hmmm maybe am stuck somewhere????

Wow, I think I need to chat in here more often, am actually making money today

Yani

10-19-2005, 11:54 AM

Are u stuck on dumb or just stuck on stupid, u can’t compare a turbo engine to a non turbo engine. Thats my point !!!!!!!!!!!! Hmmm maybe am stuck somewhere????

Wow, I think I need to chat in here more often, am actually making money today

why cant i compare them? its the same exact shit except one came with a turbo strapped to it from the factory and the other didnt. ignorance is running wild on here today.

M.A.R.C.

10-19-2005, 12:01 PM

I meant usually by stock form. I have never seen a STOCK high compression engine turboed from the factory. I know people turbo high compression engines all the time.

yes... the VW GTi 1.8T... they have 9.5:1 cr from the factory. that's higher than a stock ls, higher than a stock d16z6 motor, and about the same as a d16y8 motor. all n/a motors. compared to most turbo motors... that cr is pretty high.

Yani

10-19-2005, 12:40 PM

mazdaspeed protege vs regular protege. they both have the same exact motor yet one is turbo from the factory and the other isnt. having a stock turbo motor doesnt automatically mean it can make 500 hp.

Celicachick

10-19-2005, 01:00 PM

mazda protege and a mazadspeed protege are both mazda right, just like a celica and srt are both toyota, or a celica and a srt are both dodge, right

i simple made one statement, and u took it and ran with it, so give it a rest, everyone is entitled to their own opinion,

Yani

10-19-2005, 01:35 PM

before it was turbo motors vs non turbo motors, now its toyota vs dodge.

yes everyone is entitled to opinions but facts are facts and your just plain wrong. maybe if you werent so stubburn you might learn something from us.

Yani

10-19-2005, 01:49 PM

yes... the VW GTi 1.8T... they have 9.5:1 cr from the factory. that's higher than a stock ls, higher than a stock d16z6 motor, and about the same as a d16y8 motor. all n/a motors. compared to most turbo motors... that cr is pretty high.

ah yes how could i forget my old car, and people still make 550 whp through the stock cast pistons.

Solo2Ralf

10-19-2005, 01:57 PM

Are u stuck on dumb or just stuck on stupid, u can’t compare a turbo engine to a non turbo engine. Thats my point !!!!!!!!!!!! Hmmm maybe am stuck somewhere????

Wow, I think I need to chat in here more often, am actually making money today

S2000's can make over 500 whp on stock blocks and they come N/A from factory......so your point is??

verdugo09

10-19-2005, 02:01 PM

True, some even go over the expectations(supras). But that doens´t mean every 6 cylinder turbo factory engine have the same tolerances

Yani

10-19-2005, 02:34 PM

True, some even go over the expectations(supras). But that doens´t mean every 6 cylinder turbo factory engine have the same tolerances

HUH

verdugo09

10-19-2005, 02:59 PM

HUH

Ok, let me break this down for you http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8816/fg168sf7hh.gif

Factory turbo car, is not = to, able handle a lot of boost

or, because is a factory turbo car it doesn´t mean is properly set up for that application (ex, poor cooling system, or innadequate compression ration)

WanganCoupe

10-19-2005, 03:43 PM

ok plain and simple the girl doesn't know enough to understand what everyone is trying to explain to her. Leave her alone and with time she might figure it out by actually turning a wrench sooner or later.

And yani what verdugo was saying was that the Supras can hold a shitload more power than they were designed for. But that doesn't mean every turbo 6 cylinder can hold that much power for example the Skyline.

Also as far as turboing teh celica goes. You may as well do that instead of s/c because for one the s/c for it is not coming. You can also build that car to 200whp n/a on it's stock compression. Add nitrous on top of that and you have a fun car that is totally daily drivable however a little faster with just a little spray.

Boostjunkie

10-19-2005, 03:44 PM

I have to figure out what the fuck compression ration means....:confused:

Yani

10-19-2005, 03:45 PM

Ok, let me break this down for you http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8816/fg168sf7hh.gif

Factory turbo car, is not = to, able handle a lot of boost

or, because is a factory turbo car it doesn´t mean is properly set up for that application (ex, poor cooling system, or innadequate compression ration)

oh that helps now that you explain yourself properly. since we were talking about 4 cylinder cars like celicas srt's and protege's in this thread but you came in to it like you were responding to someone about a supra so it made no sense.

verdugo09

10-19-2005, 04:01 PM

oh that helps now that you explain yourself properly. since we were talking about 4 cylinder cars like celicas srt's and protege's in this thread but you came in to it like you were responding to someone about a supra so it made no sense.

I know, my bad.

And yani what verdugo was saying was that the Supras can hold a shitload more power than they were designed for. But that doesn't mean every turbo 6 cylinder can hold that much power for example the Skyline

hey, I´m not dizzing the Skyline. In fact I can´t because I´m Nissan/Datsun fan for life

have to figure out what the fuck compression ration means....

how do you dare to call yourself boostjunkie and do not know what compression ratio means

You shall be punished

Boostjunkie

10-19-2005, 04:06 PM

I know, my bad.

hey, I´m not dizzing the Skyline. In fact I can´t because I´m Nissan/Datsun fan for life

how do you dare to call yourself boostjunkie and do not know what compression ratio means

You shall be punished

Ration is ratio?:confused:

verdugo09

10-19-2005, 04:07 PM

Ration is ratio?:confused:

Remember what happens during the compression stroke of the four-stroke cycle: Both the intake and exhaust valves are closed so no air can escape, and the piston moves upward from bottom dead center (BDC) to top dead center (TDC) so that the air/fuel mixture in the cylinder is compressed into the combustion chamber. Compression ratio is the relationship of cylinder volume (or displacement) with the piston at BDC to cylinder volume with the piston at TDC. If the volume of the cylinder with the piston at BDC is 10 times greater than the volume of the combustion area with the piston at TDC, then 10 units of volume get squeezed into 1 unit of space, and the compression ratio is 10.0:1. There are five factors that affect compression ratio: cylinder swept volume, clearance volume, piston dome or dish, head-gasket volume, and chamber volume.

Boostjunkie

10-19-2005, 04:10 PM

Nice copy and paste, but apparently you can't tell I was poking fun at your spelling...:lawl:

verdugo09

10-19-2005, 04:14 PM

OOOOOOO SHIT, I didn´t notice that :run:

Got me there NUKKA,

YO YO, Yo makin fon of my Ingless

Yani

10-19-2005, 05:51 PM

Remember what happens during the compression stroke of the four-stroke cycle: Both the intake and exhaust valves are closed so no air can escape, and the piston moves upward from bottom dead center (BDC) to top dead center (TDC) so that the air/fuel mixture in the cylinder is compressed into the combustion chamber. Compression ratio is the relationship of cylinder volume (or displacement) with the piston at BDC to cylinder volume with the piston at TDC. If the volume of the cylinder with the piston at BDC is 10 times greater than the volume of the combustion area with the piston at TDC, then 10 units of volume get squeezed into 1 unit of space, and the compression ratio is 10.0:1. There are five factors that affect compression ratio: cylinder swept volume, clearance volume, piston dome or dish, head-gasket volume, and chamber volume.
this quote comes to you courtesey of hot rod magazine

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/54258/