Honda Gurus, B20 + Boost = ? [Archive]

NiZMo1o1

10-18-2005, 01:07 PM

Well pleanty of debates and opinions..lets hear them?

Does the B20 Blows like some say ?

B20 on boosted? what about sleeving it?

or would you go with a LS turbo?

Im currently Supercharging a LS soon with the Jackson Racing S/C

But we also have a Bone stock B20 that we are undecided what to do with it.

Discuss ---- Thanks

Yani

10-18-2005, 02:20 PM

stock sleeves i'd rather do an ls instead of a b20 due to the thicker sleeves. if your sleeving it really doesnt matter because you can pick the bore size but i'd go 84 or 84.5 which would make it a b20.

GDM Z28

10-18-2005, 02:22 PM

ChopSticks

10-18-2005, 04:22 PM

eric? waz up with b20 boost.

S.e.a.n.

10-18-2005, 08:35 PM

i've seen this thread alot of times on other forums...and ls on boost seem to be the winner

NiZMo1o1

10-18-2005, 10:28 PM

dont super charge the ls u will ne un happy...my stock ls made 304whp and 270wtq on 14 psi and i use to run 17 on the street.....i dont know many b20's going over 250whp due to sleeve failure.....stick with the ls

well this is the reason why my boi is selling this to me and swap out a Type R motor for his 94 teg.

I know the S/C wont be something to brag about but it might have a little extra pull in a EG.

But we have a B20 thats a virgin .. and thats the one I would like to see go boosted.

I read here and there about b20s blowing up on boost . or b20 with a Vtec head + boost blowing up.
This is where im stompped.

I rather here it from you guys 1st.
LS S/C EG would be just a fun car to drive.. nothing insane for track use.
the B20 /EK coupe or it might be swap in a Ek hatch.(this depends on my boi and his brother to work out)

GDM Z28

10-18-2005, 10:36 PM

if your gonna do it i would just do it once...sell the SC and get the turbo parts...sell the b20 and get a ls...make 300+whp and call it a day.

NiZMo1o1

10-18-2005, 10:50 PM

if your gonna do it i would just do it once...sell the SC and get the turbo parts...sell the b20 and get a ls...make 300+whp and call it a day.

the thing is we have a B20, a LS, GSR ..theres 3 cars and all untouched for now.

Vee_Tee_Cee

10-18-2005, 11:24 PM

People have had B20 sleeves spider crack on MOTOR... food for thought.

GDM Z28

10-18-2005, 11:27 PM

the thing is we have a B20, a LS, GSR ..theres 3 cars and all untouched for now.

so sell the SC crap and turbo the ls

frawsty

10-18-2005, 11:54 PM

hey dont hate on the family car motor i got one 2 u know

imp0rt_tunerz

10-19-2005, 12:42 AM

Ask Eric!

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 01:43 AM

Ask Eric!

maybe if he pays attention..

Eric dude whats the deal?

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 01:48 AM

eric has a b20 on boost and made 250whp

ek9vboi

10-19-2005, 01:49 AM

Ask Eric!

Thats me! lol... let me see where i should start.

i would rather run an LS motor on boost b/c sleeves can handle it. b20 isnt bad at all, just get a good tuner to do the tuning. i drove to gainsville b/c there were not good tuners that i trust around the area at the time.

if u boost an ls, dont be like trent...14psi making 300whp and blow it up. :lawl: (u know im kiddin u all the time trent, lol). keep it at around 10-12psi, i wouldnt go any higher.

supercharging is garbage, u get tq, but no tp end and thats what hondas are known for...rev up high and high top end.

b20/vtec motors mainly blow b/c people have no idea what they are doing. for example, throw a head on to the stock block (b20b) and they get piston and valve contact. or they dont tune the car properly... a lot of things can contribute to a b20/vtec blowing up. some just push it too much.

personally as most of u know, i've been boosted for over a year on my b20b and it has not blown yet. running strong...beat on it all day and night.

screw everything...GSR + Boost = the shit! top dog for a stock motor. 8psi it can make 280whp!!! that extra 1000 or so rpms is worth it...oh yeah u got vtekkk too!

ek9vboi

10-19-2005, 01:50 AM

eric has a b20 on boost and made 250whp
I made that much on a greddy sp catback. so imagine 3".. :)

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 01:51 AM

if u boost an ls, dont be like trent...14psi making 300whp and blow it up. :lawl: (u know im kiddin u all the time trent, lol). keep it at around 10-12psi, i wouldnt go any higher.

eric eric eric.....first motor blew on 17psi when my oilpump gernaded and second one blew at 28psi when it spiked for 2 gears (holly shit it was fast for a bit)....none blew on 14 psi

screw everything...GSR + Boost = the shit! top dog for a stock motor. 8psi it can make 280whp!!! that extra 1000 or so rpms is worth it...oh yeah u got vtekkk too!

this is tru....on 9-10 psi people make 300whp where it took me 14 psi tp make 300whp but what about the torque

270 wtq > 230 wtq :lawl:

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 01:53 AM

I made that much on a greddy sp catback. so imagine 3".. :)

3" = more power....more power = spider cracks :thumbup:

get rid of the crappy exhaust, run a 3", lower the boost to make the same power :naughty:

ek9vboi

10-19-2005, 01:59 AM

piff...i have a feeling im going to get into a battl w/ trent! lol

i love my quite greddy sp! 3" is too loud, lam be complaining about it to me. hahha...u ran open downpipe...ur nukinfuts!

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:04 AM

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:05 AM

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:06 AM

but doesnt the supercharger compensate for the lower end loss? the charger pulls but on top end has no power? correct?
now wouldnt the Vtec kick in and with a set up Cams do the trick for the Top end?

if you run a probally size turbo for your motor the lag wont be that bad......i wish i still have the video of me on 6 psi running the SCed teg on 8 psi....i walked him hard core.....i think dave has the vid

this was back on my small turbo and afc hack 2 lmao...SC's suck balls on hondas

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:07 AM

if you run a probally size turbo for your motor the lag wont be that bad......i wish i still have the video of me on 6 psi running the SCed teg on 8 psi....i walked him hard core.....i think dave has the vid

this was back on my small turbo and afc hack 2 lmao...SC's suck balls on hondas

was this a Green Sc Teg?

But im also thinking this guys..
its a LS motor .,,,maybe add higher rev cams and s/c
on a Eg hatch?

the body is light..im not going drag racing..just a lil *umpf* for kicks

besides that the S/C is basically free ..

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:11 AM

was this a Green Sc Teg?

But im also thinking this guys..
its a LS motor .,,,maybe add higher rev cams and s/c
on a Eg hatch?

the body is light..im not going drag racing..just a lil *umpf* for kicks

besides that the S/C is basically free ..

this was 2 years ago and i can barley remember last week but for some reason i wana say it was silver.

im selling crower 404 cams and springs and retainers for a LS motor. FORGET ABOUT THE SC.....take it and sell it lol. im telling you, you wont be happy....im saving you from hours of work and lots of crying

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:11 AM

Well acutally does anyone know if the Jackson Racing s/c would be able to fit the B20 motor? or would I just need to swap LS head?

maybe I can use a B20 botton end with a LS head and S/C

while we can boost on the LS motor... since everyone is going against the B20 boost and a LS supercharger ?

like I said we have 3 motors 3 differnt cars that we can play around with.. but were trying to laid down a game plan.. and since im doing most of the research for now , I wanted to know what you guys feel...
As of now I already see everyone likes the LS + turbo setup....

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:13 AM

b20 head and ls are like the same thing.......i would go all motor on the b20 or just sell it.....your like doing all the wrong things lol im getting a head ache.

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:13 AM

this was 2 years ago and i can barley remember last week but for some reason i wana say it was silver.

im selling crower 404 cams and springs and retainers for a LS motor. FORGET ABOUT THE SC.....take it and sell it lol. im telling you, you wont be happy....im saving you from hours of work and lots of crying

yeah Whoa353 was here earlier ..said Oh thats Trent..he knows his shit..

So No to the S./C huh ? seems like a waste ...but is it doable if I swap the B20 into the EG and add on the S/C?

like I said the EG is going to be a cruise car.. the two EKs coupe and hatch is what my bois want to make it run..

I could care less about how much boost or hp..I just wanted something extra...but not overboard...

I already outdid a Altima but never a Honda which Im dying to see what I can build. just picking up a extra Hobby now .

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:14 AM

b20 head and ls are like the same thing.......i would go all motor on the b20 or just sell it.....your like doing all the wrong things lol im getting a head ache.

aahah sorry dude.... didnt mean to get a headache..

I guess boost boost and more boost..:D
anyone wanna buy a S/C ?:confused:

ek9vboi

10-19-2005, 02:15 AM

dude, wtf...!!!!

GSR + Boost = shit in ur pants crazy madd uber pow wow!!!

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:16 AM

aahah sorry dude.... didnt mean to get a headache..

I guess boost boost and more boost..:D
anyone wanna buy a S/C ?:confused:

think of it like this....b20 and LS motors are like the same thing. same stroke, same head, same compression but the b20 has weaker sleeves. so y go with a b20 if you can get the same thing out of an ls and be safer?

ek9vboi

10-19-2005, 02:17 AM

b20 has a lot of tq low end already, needs more top end and thats where my snail comes into play

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:17 AM

dude, wtf...!!!!

GSR + Boost = shit in ur pants crazy madd uber pow wow!!!

maybe if danny would take me for a ride ..

again guys I apolizged for my lack of knowledge on Hondas..

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:17 AM

dude, wtf...!!!!

GSR + Boost = shit in ur pants crazy madd uber pow wow!!!

why? cause it has MaD VtEc y0??

jeff evans tuned an ls on 8 psi that made 300whp and more torque than a GSR makes :)

ek9vboi

10-19-2005, 02:22 AM

why? cause it has MaD VtEc y0??

jeff evans tuned an ls on 8 psi that made 300whp and more torque than a GSR makes :)
damn you trent, it has vtec and more rpms to run! more power band, them gsr motors can make serious WHP.

ek9vboi

10-19-2005, 02:22 AM

why? cause it has MaD VtEc y0??

jeff evans tuned an ls on 8 psi that made 300whp and more torque than a GSR makes :)
u should have let jeff evans tune ur car!

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:23 AM

think of it like this....b20 and LS motors are like the same thing. same stroke, same head, same compression but the b20 has weaker sleeves. so y go with a b20 if you can get the same thing out of an ls and be safer?

right so not much but the displacement right?

see in the Nissan Camp.. we had the SR20 Light alum block

KA24 Torque iron block .in Japan these motors came in the trucks

Since I opted to boost the KA.. the Ka had the both of both worlds Torque and Turbo High end..

I guess I try think the same when it comes to the B20 = CRV , Truck-Torque
ike the LS and H23's cause Ive read all them have the torque but no top end, which is where everyone swap Vtec heads with high valves and cams and boost the shit out of it?

again Nissan didnt have frankenstien so we had to work with what we had...You guys have so much options to do this and that , that it amazes me what can be done..

I guess the way I thought of Torque went with all other motors which in this case ..Doesnt.. I know the GS-R pulls hard cause Ive seen Danny Drive....

I guess I have to go back to the drawing board and make a new game plan with me and my partners..
Thanks

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:25 AM

damn you trent, it has vtec and more rpms to run! more power band, them gsr motors can make serious WHP.

LS1's make more power stock then boosted ls's make and only rev to 6200 and doesnt have vtec....vtec and revs arnt everything

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:26 AM

u should have let jeff evans tune ur car!

or i should of bought a turbo that as bigger than my head! lmao (and thats a big turbo)

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:27 AM

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:28 AM

LS1's make more power stock then boosted ls's make and only rev to 6200 and doesnt have vtec....vtec and revs arnt everything

is there also differnce in OBD I II III's ? so on ?

and what year the LS came from ? how would I be able to tell if it was a 91 LS or a 95 LS?

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:29 AM

you can always do an lsvtec....you get alittle more torque over the gsr due to slightly more displacement, lower comp so it will handle the power better.....and with arp rod bolts you can rev to 8k safely

fuck im getting a headache now....what do you mean it gets more displacement? GS-R and LS are 1.8L? so does the head compression changes the Displacement as well?

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:32 AM

overload.. I gotta work 10am tommorow ..let me try and dream about what you guys are talking about in my sleep.. total overload until I can figure out if now I want LS / Vtec head...

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:32 AM

is there also differnce in OBD I II III's ? so on ?

and what year the LS came from ? how would I be able to tell if it was a 91 LS or a 95 LS?

93 and older motors are b18a1's where 94 and ups are b18b1's...also look on the head there is a year stamped....if it says 95 its really a 96.....or vice versa i forget.

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:33 AM

fuck im getting a headache now....what do you mean it gets more displacement? GS-R and LS are 1.8L? so does the head compression changes the Displacement as well?

GSR's arnt really a 1.8 its a 1.7.....its like 1798cc's (i believe its measured in cc's) where a ls is like 1834 or 1840 something

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:34 AM

overload.. I gotta work 10am tommorow ..let me try and dream about what you guys are talking about in my sleep.. total overload until I can figure out if now I want LS / Vtec head...

you can do that to make more power on less boost since the vtec heads flow better but i would do a straight ls with cams and valve train (which im selling)....the ls head flows like shit thats y it takes more boost to make more power......the shitty flowing head also = more torque

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:34 AM

GSR's arnt really a 1.8 its a 1.7.....its like 1798cc's (i believe its measured in cc's) where a ls is like 1834 or 1840 something

god damnnn this is serious info .

Dude thanks man you taught me something new.,

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:36 AM

god damnnn this is serious info .

Dude thanks man you taught me something new.,

no prob...i love turbo hondas :naughty:

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:39 AM

well I always Love turbos no matter what..

its just something thats been always bothering me..*if I start with a Honda.....* so heres my chances to mess around with it..

I did most of the turbo work and building on my Nissan..

I figure I try this ...

ek9vboi

10-19-2005, 02:40 AM

no prob...i love turbo hondas :naughty:

we all know u show no real love 4 that "LS1" :rofl:

u know what u want...a honda...again. :bowdown: Honda

i say get the gsr and u can always build it later. sleeve it and bore it to 86mm...piston, rods....some head work. tada...fast as motor.:thumbup:

if i was rich and had money...i would.

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:40 AM

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:42 AM

we all know u show no real love 4 that "LS1" :rofl:

u know what u want...a honda...again. :bowdown: Honda

yeah your right who would wana make 400whp + on motor (After fixing a few things) and then hit it with a 150 shot lmao

i say get the gsr and u can always build it later. sleeve it and bore it to 86mm...piston, rods....some head work. tada...fast as motor.:thumbup:

if i was rich and had money...i would.

all motor on a street honda is for people who are scared of fast trap speeds

NiZMo1o1

10-19-2005, 02:49 AM

you just made my day

a nissan guy that went honda....now if only manny would see the light

Oh dont get me wrong Trent.. I never mocked any car.. as long as all the cars in the group was top of there breeds.

My love was for my Nissan which I built
But I did own a 93 Rx TT which I own for awhile and that thing was beautiful. but the money was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ going down the drain..

My best friends in HS are into there 1jz and 2jzs
So Ive been around with all the Camps around
It just comming up from when I was a Teen ..most of my friends all Jocked Hondas.. I just didnt want to be another guy with a Honda ,
But this is where im like WOW if I start with a Honda I would have spent a whole lot less than a KA24DE(T) ---$17,000 in total maybe more in repairs, and parts and boosting...

im sure over the time I might have accumlate more than that on the car whereas.. Hondas maybe less than 10gs for Top end parts and still have money left for Mc Ds

Anyways im off to bed.. I check this thread tommorow night after work.

GDM Z28

10-19-2005, 02:51 AM

with 10gs u can build the motor and have a sick ass turbo kit.

M.A.R.C.

10-19-2005, 08:27 AM

yeah. i'm late... so like don't go b20-t...

ls-t pwnz all.

oliver

11-18-2005, 06:03 PM

dont super charge the ls u will ne un happy...my stock ls made 304whp and 270wtq on 14 psi and i use to run 17 on the street.....i dont know many b20's going over 250whp due to sleeve failure.....stick with the ls

trent can tell me what your setup was? I have a ls sitting in my garage that will be boosted next year. Im only aiming for 250 whp and hopefully running low to mid 13s. i want to keep it stock internals execept for some 404s and arp rods to rev to 8k

BONH

11-18-2005, 07:05 PM

i skipped all the pages but i hear it depends on what kind of b20 block you get. Some people have been successful and see great numbers, some people have had issues.

I think if you say don't do b20 because it has a weak bottom end for boost

Then that certainly tells you something, dont you think?

spydaman06

11-26-2005, 03:56 PM

piff...i have a feeling im going to get into a battl w/ trent! lol

i love my quite greddy sp! 3" is too loud, lam be complaining about it to me. hahha...u ran open downpipe...ur nukinfuts!?! No. Especially if you're boosted. 3 inch apexi N1 is pure music without that WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *piiish* clack-clack....UUUUUUUWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...*piiiish*....Vrooooooom *piiiish* popopopopop......*sputter sputter*

Apexi is da way 2 go!